PlanetCrap 6.0!
Front Page (ATOM) • Submission Bin (2) • ArchivesUsersLoginCreate Account
You are currently not logged in.
T O P I C
Are We Doomed Yet?
January 27th 2005, 08:25 CET by UncleJeet

This is an older article, but I just came across it.  If you have not yet read it, then read it now.  If you have read it, then read it again.  It's perhaps the best essay discussing the social, economic, and political implications of technology and digital content management that I've yet seen.

Read it, vote yes, and discuss.  Oh, and it's even semi-game related, as it was written by Sheldon Pacotti of Deus Ex fame.
C O M M E N T S
Home » Topic: Are We Doomed Yet?

|«« - Previous Page - Next Page - »»|
#11 by Wudi
2005-01-27 15:37:25
Might as well turn this into the next Girls Kissing thread.

I'll start

Girls Kissing!

Zep--

Inverted Mouse 4 Life, YO!
#12 by Comothinon
2005-01-27 15:39:00
Btw, I voted yes to the CrapCon 2005 thread, just so I don't have to watch everyone arguing over hotels and how far they can walk before collapsing in other threads.

Only noobs link to UAC in their signature.
#13 by Warren Marshall
2005-01-27 15:40:09
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
Girls Kissing!

SEEN IT!  Like, 2 years ago SEEN IT...

"Cheap Garbage Disposal Canít Handle Femur"
#14 by Wudi
2005-01-27 15:46:02
I guess everyday is girls kissing when you're married to a stripper.

Zep--

Inverted Mouse 4 Life, YO!
#15 by Warren Marshall
2005-01-27 15:48:00
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
Huzzah!

"Cheap Garbage Disposal Canít Handle Femur"
#16 by Chunkstyle
2005-01-27 15:53:38
On topic: no, not yet.

On better topic: could we get a picture of girls kissing where the girls look like they are enjoying it?

Game Developers: Don't forget the zombie monkeys.
#17 by Comothinon
2005-01-27 15:58:52
Here's an idea... How about everyone link to sites that actually have any woman who looks like she's enjoying anything even remotely related to pr0n. My theory is that women have to take a class on looking terminally bored and unimpressed before they're allowed to star in porn movies.

Only noobs link to UAC in their signature.
#18 by Caryn
2005-01-27 16:03:22
carynlaw@pacbell.net http://www.hellchick.net
Speaking of girls kissing...I don't mean to make a fun subject serious, but I've always been fascinated by the fact that that appeals to men, but a similar thing (guys kissing or having sex together) doesn't appeal to women (for the most part).

I can't think of anything that nature would gain by making the idea of two women having sex appealing to men. Has there ever been any logical, scientific explanation for this phenomenon? I've always thought it was something as simple as "one naked woman is good, so two women naked together is double plus good", but that doesn't explain the extra icing-on-the-cake appeal that watching them actually get it on has (as opposed to just seeing them naked).

I'm just sort of thinking out loud. It's an aspect of human sexuality that's always fascinated me. Feel free to get back to pics of girls kissing, though.

"You can keep my things, they've come to take me home."
#19 by Chunkstyle
2005-01-27 16:04:53
Deep down the man knows that the girls are just waiting for a guy to show up and join them.  Deep down he knows he is that guy.

Game Developers: Don't forget the zombie monkeys.
#20 by Caryn
2005-01-27 16:07:04
carynlaw@pacbell.net http://www.hellchick.net
I find that to be a satisfactory explanation.

Carry on!

"You can keep my things, they've come to take me home."
#21 by yotsuya
2005-01-27 16:08:56
Chunk might be on the something there.

"yot's a religious nut that really truly actually believes in a physical heaven with a graybearded man on a throne with an individual master plan for all of us and a Make A Mountain clay kit nearby"- gaggle
#22 by yotsuya
2005-01-27 16:14:09
on to

"yot's a religious nut that really truly actually believes in a physical heaven with a graybearded man on a throne with an individual master plan for all of us and a Make A Mountain clay kit nearby"- gaggle
#23 by m0nty
2005-01-27 16:22:21
http://tinfinger.blogspot.com
Caryn (#18):
a similar thing (guys kissing or having sex together) doesn't appeal to women (for the most part)

One word: yaoi.
#24 by Comothinon
2005-01-27 16:23:24
but a similar thing (guys kissing or having sex together) doesn't appeal to women (for the most part).

Two girls getting it on (preferrably with the man involved in some way) is like the shangri la of mens fantasies. Well, normal men anyway. Two guys getting it on is wrong. That's just the way it is.

Only noobs link to UAC in their signature.
#25 by Penguinx
2005-01-27 16:25:59
Ask Bago. He'll have a definite answer for any sexual question you may want resolved.

NSFW, if you can imagine.

At the end of the day the hatred was able to be smelled. - Ryslin
[Penguinx is] A stupid child. - G-Man
#26 by Wudi
2005-01-27 16:29:40
Deacon needs to wheel in to see his IHGF getting it on with his IH Nurse.

Still waiting for TEH FUNNAY to happen tho.

Zep--

Inverted Mouse 4 Life, YO!
#27 by UncleJeet
2005-01-27 16:31:10
Caryn,
I think you're reading too much into it by assigning nature a role to something that is more of a result of social conditioning than evolutionary behavior.  I blame Desmond Morris for this.

Anyway, I would say that it's more of a result of the Victorian-era repression of sexuality that gave birth to pornography, which extends through today.  Sure, in the past there were orgies and sexcapades of all kinds, but the concept of two women together didn't hold the fascination of the general male population then that it does today.

Pictures of two women kissing, or more, is appealing almost entirely for pornographic reasons.  It's taboo, it's exciting, and as Chunk mentioned, it's a bit of fantasy fulfillment.

I guess you could argue that being with two or more women at once was coded by nature to allow for better propagating of the species, but since your question was more of why do men find picture and the concept of two women at once so appealing, that doesn't really apply as much as the social aspect.

I'm cooler than you are.
#28 by Ashiran
2005-01-27 16:32:38
#18 by Caryn

Men looking at women kissing.
A) Assuming it's not being faked, girls kissing indicates low restrictions when it comes to sex as it's not the status quo. Which is hot.
B) No other guy present, so no fear of 'being seen as gay cause you're looking at a guy'
C) Other women aren't seen as competition
D) More is better

Spell cast with 4 times power!

Women looking at men kissing.
A) "Oh he's gay. Too bad"

Spell fizzles.

Nihil nequeo.
#29 by Wudi
2005-01-27 16:33:36
I think jeets way too "in touch" with his feminine side.

Zep--

Inverted Mouse 4 Life, YO!
#30 by UncleJeet
2005-01-27 16:34:22
*sigh*

I'm cooler than you are.
#31 by BobJustBob
2005-01-27 16:41:37
Who voted this crap in? Rule of thumb, people: if the topic is written by Jeet, Joker, or Wudi, just vote no.

In other news, I'd like to go home and go back to sleep.

Dood.
#32 by LPMiller
2005-01-27 16:47:59
lpmiller@gotapex.com http://www.gotapex.com
'cause girls are pretty.

When LP says he's bringing Armageddon, he brings fucking Armageddon. - Caryn, 6/01/2004
#33 by Hugin
2005-01-27 16:51:14
lmccain@nber.org
#18 by Caryn

  
 Speaking of girls kissing...I don't mean to make a fun subject serious, but I've always been fascinated by the fact that that appeals to men, but a similar thing (guys kissing or having sex together) doesn't appeal to women (for the most part).


I think it's socialization more than anything innately biological.  There's yaoi, and there's the billions and billions of m/m slashfics written predominately by straight women, and I know quite a few women who watch gay male video porn over het porn, because it allows them to see attractive humans being sexual, without having to deal with the ridiculous/demeaning/gross way women are often portrayed in porn.
#34 by BobJustBob
2005-01-27 16:51:16
Oh, and on-topic, I skimmed the article. Those of you who didn't bother, here's what you're missing:

The self-replicating, scriptable technologies are here and still arriving. Progress will continue. We aren't choosing whether or not to eat from the Tree of Knowledge. We are deciding whether to put a fence around it and ration the fruit. The choice is not between a perilous freedom and a secure tyranny, but rather between fear and trust. We might even find it easier to trust one another if each of us takes a bite out of that genetically engineered FLAVR SAVR tomato and gains the same knowledge of good and evil.


A game writer who can't write? I'm boggling here.

Dood.
#35 by Gunp01nt
2005-01-27 16:51:39
supersimon33@hotmail.com
I like girls kissing because girls are usually much more tender to each other than a guy is to a girl, which is sweet.

Better than five bums beating up a law student? I doubt it.
#36 by Warren Marshall
2005-01-27 16:53:45
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
My theory is that women have to take a class on looking terminally bored and unimpressed before they're allowed to star in porn movies.

You need to download different porn.

"Cheap Garbage Disposal Canít Handle Femur"
#37 by Penguinx
2005-01-27 16:54:01
Sweet has no place in sex.

At the end of the day the hatred was able to be smelled. - Ryslin
[Penguinx is] A stupid child. - G-Man
#38 by Gunp01nt
2005-01-27 16:54:21
supersimon33@hotmail.com
#33 Hugin
it allows them to see attractive humans being sexual, without having to deal with the ridiculous/demeaning/gross way women are often portrayed in porn.


That, too.

Better than five bums beating up a law student? I doubt it.
#39 by Warren Marshall
2005-01-27 16:59:00
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
It's also appealing to bisexual girls, in my experience.  Girls kissing seems to have universal appeal, whereas men kissing is just bleh...

"Cheap Garbage Disposal Canít Handle Femur"
#40 by KneeL
2005-01-27 16:59:25
neilharrott@hotmail.com Coming soon
Sweet has no place in sex.


You're still spreading that honey in the wrong place Px.

#41 by jjohnsen
2005-01-27 17:01:01
http://www.johnsenclan.com
I think Chunk and LP are spot on.  Women are soft, have breast, have vaginas and butts.  In what posible way could double the amount be anything but good?

Actually, the liberalism of the media - as a general thing - IS a major fallacy. What the media is, is a whore.  -LP
#42 by Penguinx
2005-01-27 17:06:12
#40
KneeL


Sweet has no place in sex.


You're still spreading that honey in the wrong place Px.


So that's why my pants are sticky.

At the end of the day the hatred was able to be smelled. - Ryslin
[Penguinx is] A stupid child. - G-Man
#43 by Eric T. Cheng
2005-01-27 17:22:57
erictcheng@hotmail.com
'cause girls are pretty.


That's why artists and photographers prefer female models over male models. The female form is much more attractive with its curves than the male form, which short of being an athletic god is bleh to look at.

Kilt Wearing Pixel Pushing Monkey Boy
DVD Collection
GameGossip.com
#44 by Jibble
2005-01-27 17:26:28
Men are hairy.  I'd rather watch two women go at it than watch two grizzly bears go at it.

EOD.

Well it beats going to the video store to rent the latest hardcore releases twice a week. - G-Man
#45 by KneeL
2005-01-27 17:31:00
neilharrott@hotmail.com Coming soon
I dunno, a couple of grizzlys, a picnic hamper and a video camera and we could be in the money.

#46 by Comothinon
2005-01-27 17:49:51
You need to download different porn.

Point me in the right direction. Please.

Basically all the porn I've seen in my perverted life has had women who look like they'd be having more fun coated in honey and placed under a killer bee nest. The fact that most porn follows the same stale formula doesn't help any. There's only so many cum-on-face scenes you can watch before mayonnaise is taken off the lunch menu.

Only noobs link to UAC in their signature.
#47 by Warren Marshall
2005-01-27 17:53:08
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
Jaded and bitter about porn?  A new low!

"Cheap Garbage Disposal Canít Handle Femur"
#48 by Comothinon
2005-01-27 17:57:45
I wish it weren't true.

Only noobs link to UAC in their signature.
#49 by schnee
2005-01-27 18:21:02
david@snowdesign.com
I like girls kissing because girls are usually much more tender to each other than a guy is to a girl, which is sweet.

You don't know how most men and women are together, so to me your quote says more about your internal 'model' of how other men are - and you are - than other men. IME most healthy couples keep their tenderness private, instead of using it as an 'OMG LOOK AT ME NOT THE OTHER GIRLS' ploy like most 'bi' girls.

"Uncontrolled anal bleeding?††That's my middle name." - Shadarr
#50 by gaggle
2005-01-27 18:26:49
I read the article, thought very seriously on the concerns he raises, and my honest opinion is that the whooooh, girls kissing, that's a good topic.

No, uh, really, I think his points are very titties.


Enough with the poor jokes.

I thought the article was.. eeeh.. interesting. Sort of. Interesting in the sense that some day, yeah, shit like that will be possible. Nothing seems doomed to me though, at least not in any non-theoretical capacity, so actually discussing the article is a bit much.

"You can get her in any color so long as it's double D and naked." - Hugin
#51 by Wudi
2005-01-27 18:32:09
that's a good topic


NO KISSING! You LOSE!

Zep--

Inverted Mouse 4 Life, YO!
#52 by Comothinon
2005-01-27 18:47:26
Say, how do I get my email address changed in my account info? admins@planetcrap.com doesn't work. This site r teh brokan.

Only noobs link to UAC in their signature.
#53 by Eric T. Cheng
2005-01-27 18:47:50
erictcheng@hotmail.com
alt-f4

Kilt Wearing Pixel Pushing Monkey Boy
DVD Collection
GameGossip.com
#54 by gaggle
2005-01-27 18:48:12
I paid tribute to the spirit of the topic, if not the letter!

"You can get her in any color so long as it's double D and naked." - Hugin
#55 by Your Friend
2005-01-27 19:02:35
The article, much like Deus Ex, is overrated.

#56 by Warren Marshall
2005-01-27 19:20:12
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
This reminded me of how much I hate (love) you all.

"Cheap Garbage Disposal Canít Handle Femur"
#57 by Gunp01nt
2005-01-27 19:22:05
supersimon33@hotmail.com
#49 schnee
You don't know how most men and women are together, so to me your quote says more about your internal 'model' of how other men are - and you are - than other men. IME most healthy couples keep their tenderness private, instead of using it as an 'OMG LOOK AT ME NOT THE OTHER GIRLS' ploy like most 'bi' girls.


OHNOES YUO GOT ME IM STIL A VERGIN OK THER I SAD IT

Better than five bums beating up a law student? I doubt it.
#58 by BobJustBob
2005-01-27 19:22:53
IME most healthy couples keep their tenderness private


I keep my tenderness private behind my pants.

Dood.
#59 by Wudi
2005-01-27 19:23:28
Your link was broken.
No girls, no kissing, no funny!

Zep--

Inverted Mouse 4 Life, YO!
#60 by Dumdeedum
2005-01-27 19:32:15
http://www.dumdeedum.com
I have nothing to add to this topic so I'll just link a really great pair of breasts and leave it at that.

MP3 Of The Week: B21 - Darshan.mp3 (?)
C O M M E N T S
Home » Topic: Are We Doomed Yet?

|«« - Previous Page - Next Page - »»|
P O S T   A   C O M M E N T

You need to be logged in to post a comment here. If you don't have an account yet, you can create one here. Registration is free.
C R A P T A G S
Simple formatting: [b]bold[/b], [i]italic[/i], [u]underline[/u]
Web Links: [url=www.mans.de]Cool Site[/url], [url]www.mans.de[/url]
Email Links: [email=some@email.com]Email me[/email], [email]some@email.com[/email]
Simple formatting: Quoted text: [quote]Yadda yadda[/quote]
Front Page (ATOM) • Submission Bin (2) • ArchivesUsersLoginCreate Account
You are currently not logged in.
There are currently 0 people browsing this site. [Details]