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What about web games?
May 24th 2007, 15:55 CEST by Gunp01nt

First off, lets get some facts and figures. Runescape reportedly has 9 million active accounts. OGame (spiritual successor of Planetarion) has 2 million. But people who have played these games will know that theyre far from AAA quality were used to on our l33t gaming machines.
Yet these games attract lots of players. Maybe because theyre free, maybe because theyre available on any computer with a browser and dont require a shiny new console or gaming PC. Who can say for sure?
Well, maybe the proprietors of pioneering web game Planetarion. When they were forced to start charging for accounts after the dot com crash, their userbase dropped to an estimated few thousands.

So does that mean the web isnt a platform where money can be made? I dont think so. Lets restate the obvious and well-known advantages of the web:

- Accessible almost everywhere thanks to the ubiquity of internet connections
- Always up-to-date
- Web pages can look good without requiring fast client hardware.

Thats how the information web was sold to consumers 10 years ago. Now apply these advantages to the position of game developers, who increasingly go for a multi-platform release to maximize profit. There are two free web browsers for the Wii, one for the PS3 and apparently theyre all somewhat Web 2.0 friendly.

That creates the possibility of bringing rich web games to a very wide audience.*
Its surprising that games like OGame and Planetarion fail to make use of AJAX and other staples of Web 2.0, especially considering games seem like one of the few places where the excessive level of interaction and activity offered by AJAX is justified. Addition of these things could bring web games to a higher level of interactivity and UI and make them more appealing to a wide circle of users.

What we need next is a solid business model. These days, ads just wont cut it and would deteriorate the perceived quality of web games anyway. But as the many subscriber MMORPGs have shown, people are willing and able to pay for a game service if its good enough.
Other options could be a fantasy sports approach: picture a space strategy game where people can start and run their own game universes for a fee. Thats just one example.

What do you think, could subscription based web games work on a larger scale? Will the increasing presence of browsers on consoles open up a wider audience?

(* Arguably, console owners usually have a PC for internet purposes and are more likely to use that for web games. That, or their work PCs)
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#46 by Hugin
2007-05-26 22:04:29
lmccain@nber.org
That's why I said, I was using Wing's post to expand on stuff I've been reading around the web in this argument.  Wing expressed similar sentiments anyway.
#47 by Warren Marshall
2007-05-26 22:35:15
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
Whew!  Thank god Hugin is here to educate Wing about women issues.

Hugin already said he gained the knowledge he's sharing through reading.  Not a popular way to go, I know, but some people still enjoy it.

#48 by gaggle
2007-05-26 22:36:22
No no, we must pile on your eloquently phrased post and, through means of forum magic, twist what you actually said into simple black and white statements that we can all get our froth on over. Prepare to have your post filed as a) false, b) unjustified, and c) racist.

"a four-dimensional real vector space equipped with a nondegenerate, symmetric bilinear form."
#49 by Shadarr
2007-05-26 23:07:59
shadarr@yahoo.com http://digital-luddite.com
Black people can't be racist.

I think the main point to remember is that the adverse health effects from this are going to be exactly the same as from the regular pill, because it's the same drug repackaged without placebos.  I highly doubt there will be any adverse effects just from not having a period.  Didn't bloodletting go out of style a couple centuries ago?

Even I know what crossing the Rubicon means, and I know fuck all about American history. -m0nty
#50 by Qmanol
2007-05-26 23:39:59
The whole thing gives me a sort of vague, irrational concern. I tried to think of something analogous, and I though that if there was some sort of pill that eliminated the need for sleep, I'd also be similarly discomfited.  (Though given the known results of sleep deprivation I'd probably have a bit more reason to be concerned)

For some reason, the removal of a cyclical process from the body altogether just makes me start imagining all sorts of sinister side-effects building up. Is it foolish? Probably. But I think even some people who find the idea intellectually fine (ie. myself) will have those vague doubts to dispel. Not like I have to worry about it anyway.

It isn't a Fallout game unless I use my pickpocketing skill to place a ticking dynamite bomb into the pockets of an 8 year old boy.
#51 by m0nty
2007-05-27 00:59:33
http://tinfinger.blogspot.com
Shadarr (#49):
Black people can't be racist.

This is true. Asian people, however, are the racistest.
#52 by Leslie Nassar
2007-05-27 04:33:11
http://departmentofinternets.com
I dig XAML and all, but it's not the alpha-and-omega.  I thought you led a life of fun and excitement, Bago?  Is XAML really as good as it gets for you?
#53 by wingwalker
2007-05-27 04:53:30
That's why I said, I was using Wing's post to expand on stuff I've been reading around the web in this argument.  Wing expressed similar sentiments anyway


For what it's worth, I was just playing devil's advocate. As stated in my original post, I've been skipping placebos since the time of Dinosaurs and have no health concerns about doing it. I agree with Hugin on most points. The fact that this pill is causing so much controversy is ridiculous. Any idiot child using birth control *me* could figure out how to "manage" away their period in a heartbeat. It is not new at all, it merely has a new name. No one was this upset when women started getting injections(can't recall the name) every three months as a form of birth control which also prevented menstruation.

In my opinion, periods are horribly nasty and deserve eradication with extreme prejudice.
#54 by Matt Perkins
2007-05-27 18:36:25
wizardque@yahoo.com http://whatwouldmattdo.com/
XAML actually sounds interesting.

My intelligence, then, is not absolute but is a function of the society I live in

"I'm not sure it's possible to make a "subtle" jab at Matt's writing ability." - Ergo
#55 by Dumdeedum
2007-05-27 23:36:58
http://www.dumdeedum.com
Game poster link stolen from Blues.

There's plenty there I can't quite remember/don't recognise, but reading roughly left to right:

Hitman (on wanted poster)
Sam & Max (or someone in Sam & Max suits anyway)
Max Payne (shooting while being held up by the trolley)
Serious Sam (hugging someone and holding a cup of something)
Beyond Good & Evil (Jade holding up a sign, the pig pointing at her)
Lemmings (running towards the big monkey head)
Hidden and Dangerous? (the 7 guys hiding in the trench on the left)
Bomberman (holding a tommy gun, prodding a bomb)
Metal Gear Solid (hiding in the trench on the right)
Grim Fandango (Manny Calavera with a scythe on the left)
Dungeon Keeper (guy with the scythe in the middle)
Painkiller (guy shooting a stake through a line of characters)
Full Throttle (the chopper)
Command & Conquer (guy watering the crystals)
Halo (Master Chief controlling the gun on the crashed warthog)
Little Big Adventure (Twinsen is the guy in blue with the pimp medallion)
Half-Life (Gordon handing over his crowbar)
Full Throttle (again. the guy kicking a wheel thief)
SiN (Elexis is the one on the left of the bondage trio)
Messiah? (Bob flying above the bondage girls)
Leisure Suit Larry (lying surrounded by scantily clad females)
Tomb Raider (a topless Lara Croft just to the right of Larry)
No One Lives Forever (Cate is just behind Lara, holding a tray)
Day of the Tentacle (the purple & green tentacle standing in line)
American McGee's Alice (far left, holding a knife and a cup of tea)
Pac Man (dead, been cooked and is being served)
Armed & Dangerous (the robot sitting opposite Alice)
Thief (Garrett is stealing a picture of Hitler)
Wolfenstein 3D? (that same picture of Hitler)
Earthworm Jim (the body of the green worm diagonally down from Garrett)
Worms (the little pink worm looking up at the green worm)
Fallout (guy emerging from vault 13)
Aliens vs Predator (guy in robotic lifter holding the same apart)
Starcraft Ghost? (girl on far right walking out the door crying)
Quake (guy with the axe hacking into the tentacled boss)
Star Wars: KOTOR (far right, guy holding red lightsabre)
Simon the Sorcerer (the wizard on the far left being followed by a chest)
Discworld? (that chest on legs)
Splinter Cell (the big eye below Simon is wearing Sam's goggles)
Doom 2 (head on a stick to the right of the eye)
Doom 1,2&3 (flaming head just to the right of that)
Doom 3 (the fancier flaming head)
Doom 1,2&3 (cyberdemon having an arm wrestle)

MP3 Of The Week: Lee Perry - Disco Devil.mp3 (?)
#56 by Ashiran
2007-05-27 23:52:23
Serious Sam (hugging someone and holding a cup of something)

Very telling that you didn't recognize Duke 'Nukem.

Only the poor desire wealth.
#57 by anaqer
2007-05-27 23:53:19
+ Silent Hill ( Pyramid Head handing a piece of Pac-Man to Alice )

Garbage unreasonable. Refuses to be taken away.
#58 by Ashiran
2007-05-27 23:54:51
Painkiller (guy shooting a stake through a line of characters)

Kain from Legacy of Kain. Bloodrayne and the horrid Army Men games.

Only the poor desire wealth.
#59 by Ashiran
2007-05-27 23:57:28
Star Wars: KOTOR (far right, guy holding red lightsabre)

The other guy is Raziel from the Soulreaver games.

Only the poor desire wealth.
#60 by Ashiran
2007-05-28 00:00:45
The three holding the large sign are the chars from Daikatana. "I CAN'T LEAVE MY BUDDY SUPAHFLY!"

And in the Chutulluh line are Maximillan from Evil Genius and Le Chuck from Monkey Island 3.

Only the poor desire wealth.
#61 by Ashiran
2007-05-28 00:03:47
Kurt from MDK is hanging from the Quake tentacle. And the guys in the cage bottom right are from Another World.

Only the poor desire wealth.
#62 by gaggle
2007-05-28 00:13:57
The Quake 3 and Unreal Tournament guys running with a pair of flags. Meh.

"a four-dimensional real vector space equipped with a nondegenerate, symmetric bilinear form."
#63 by Gunp01nt
2007-05-28 00:17:23
supersimon33@hotmail.com
Also in the line is the guy from Pandemonium
Hanging from the monster the Quake guy is hacking, is Kurt from MDK
In the brawl to the center right are:
- Megaman
- Sergeant something from Z
- Crusader: No Remorse
- Quake 2 enemy
Space Quest: Roger Wilco cleaning up the bloody mess on the left

dethstryk: My friend bought some porno mags. He's single-handedly holding up the porn industry.
yotsuya: What's he doing with the other hand?
#64 by gaggle
2007-05-28 00:18:34
And I guess the Blade Runner game, though I don't remember any interrogation scenes specifically (it's in the movie obviously, but I don't remember it from the game). With Republic Commando being interrogated of course.

"a four-dimensional real vector space equipped with a nondegenerate, symmetric bilinear form."
#65 by Gunp01nt
2007-05-28 00:19:41
supersimon33@hotmail.com
I figure the guy between the floor spikes is Prince of Persia (one of the newer ones).
The clone trooper must be Republic Commando.

dethstryk: My friend bought some porno mags. He's single-handedly holding up the porn industry.
yotsuya: What's he doing with the other hand?
#66 by gaggle
2007-05-28 00:22:56
Earthworm Jim (the body of the green worm diagonally down from Garrett)

I don't think that's the whole story. The suit is Earthworm Jim, the actual worm is an Arrakis Shai-Hulud (i.e. sandworm from Dune :p)

"a four-dimensional real vector space equipped with a nondegenerate, symmetric bilinear form."
#67 by Gunp01nt
2007-05-28 00:25:51
supersimon33@hotmail.com
Standing opposite the guy with the kitten behind his back is Hobbes from Wing Commander.
The three figures in the prehistoric helicopter are either from Ugh!, Prehistorik or Humans. One of those has those figures in a chopper on the box but I can't remember which.

dethstryk: My friend bought some porno mags. He's single-handedly holding up the porn industry.
yotsuya: What's he doing with the other hand?
#68 by anaqer
2007-05-28 00:52:26
+Blood ( Caleb, right below Earthworm Jim )

Garbage unreasonable. Refuses to be taken away.
#69 by gaggle
2007-05-28 00:52:55
There's a Zerg feeding a pigeon. And to its left there's a motorcycle, is that from Full Throttle as well? Solid Snake is hiding just above the zerg creature, to the right of seven guys who's also hiding. I imagine they're from Commandos.

"a four-dimensional real vector space equipped with a nondegenerate, symmetric bilinear form."
#70 by anaqer
2007-05-28 00:54:06
? God of War ? (greek-ish looking chick in the truck cabin to the far right)

Garbage unreasonable. Refuses to be taken away.
#71 by gaggle
2007-05-28 00:57:03
There's FAKK2 on the left side of course, right above SiN's Elixis. And a MechWarrior with Abe from Oddworld controlling it, to the left of Gordon.

"a four-dimensional real vector space equipped with a nondegenerate, symmetric bilinear form."
#72 by gaggle
2007-05-28 00:58:13
Yeah that's my guess as well anaqer, Greek-ish and a single bared breast is as good a hint as any.

"a four-dimensional real vector space equipped with a nondegenerate, symmetric bilinear form."
#73 by gaggle
2007-05-28 00:58:55
And the Halo guy crashes into a car from Carmageddon 2. And they've run over Frogger.

"a four-dimensional real vector space equipped with a nondegenerate, symmetric bilinear form."
#74 by gaggle
2007-05-28 01:05:54
The big monkeyhead has a Sim's style icon at it's head. And my roommate just pointed out the big red demon armwrestling the cyberdemon in the lower right is Diablo.

"a four-dimensional real vector space equipped with a nondegenerate, symmetric bilinear form."
#75 by Dumdeedum
2007-05-28 01:19:26
http://www.dumdeedum.com
I think I've got all the ones mentioned so far marked.

MP3 Of The Week: Lee Perry - Disco Devil.mp3 (?)
#76 by gaggle
2007-05-28 01:20:31
The brawl to the center also contains the protagonist from gods I can't remember the name. It's the metallic guy with a bone in his hand, the protagonist from an old action-adventure Alone in the Dark-styled game. Any of you remember it? It was a scifi story where you woke up in a cell not knowing what was going on, you were half cyborgified, and the first thing you did once you got out was find a crazy inmate in the cell next to yours. And you beat him with his own severed arm.

"a four-dimensional real vector space equipped with a nondegenerate, symmetric bilinear form."
#77 by gaggle
2007-05-28 01:21:45
Oh the eye with splintercell equipment on gotta be from the Eye of the Beholder RPGs?

"a four-dimensional real vector space equipped with a nondegenerate, symmetric bilinear form."
#78 by gaggle
2007-05-28 01:24:57
And that's a great update Dum, well done.

"a four-dimensional real vector space equipped with a nondegenerate, symmetric bilinear form."
#79 by gaggle
2007-05-28 01:26:49
Again with the splintercell'ed eye, is it looking at a creature from Creatures? (small screenshot found here) I never actually played it, but for some reason it popped to mind..

"a four-dimensional real vector space equipped with a nondegenerate, symmetric bilinear form."
#80 by gaggle
2007-05-28 01:29:05
The pentagram from which springs Doom monsters, is the flying skull Murray? It's a bit of a stretch, it's only because I don't know of that many jumping skulls in video games

The face next to the skull is Rayman.

"a four-dimensional real vector space equipped with a nondegenerate, symmetric bilinear form."
#81 by Greg
2007-05-28 01:35:06
You know what would've been nice?

Linking without giving 90% of the answers in the post with the link.

Thanks for nothing, fucko!

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#82 by gaggle
2007-05-28 01:35:34
The gray alien (next to Evil Genius, in the lineup) is throwing me off, there's an abundant source for that creature. But I'll go with UFO: Enemy Unknown because he's holding a globe (i.e. sorta-kinda the interface for that game).

"a four-dimensional real vector space equipped with a nondegenerate, symmetric bilinear form."
#83 by gaggle
2007-05-28 01:37:55
Oh and Cthulhu at the desk in that same lineup.

"a four-dimensional real vector space equipped with a nondegenerate, symmetric bilinear form."
#84 by gaggle
2007-05-28 01:50:39
To the left of Command & Conquor is Final Fantasy VII. There's Sephiroth and Aeris dancing, and Cloud Strife looking on in horror (Seph killed Aeris in what is supposedly the greatest emotional hook in all of gaming history)

"a four-dimensional real vector space equipped with a nondegenerate, symmetric bilinear form."
#85 by gaggle
2007-05-28 01:56:48
And I keep coming back to Larry and his gaggle of women. The girl fanning him, holding a feather, could it be a night elf from WoW? It doesn't really seem clear, apart from the long ears

There's a rocketship to the left of the Hitman poster, that's gotta be Myst.

"a four-dimensional real vector space equipped with a nondegenerate, symmetric bilinear form."
#86 by Anonymous
2007-05-28 02:13:23
Quake (guy with the axe hacking into the tentacled boss)

Shub-Niggurath. Yes, it has a name!

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#87 by Hugin
2007-05-28 02:33:13
lmccain@nber.org
Dumdeedum, I assume that the large uniformed boar thing between Jade and Peyj from Beyond Good and Evil is a pig cop from Duke Nukem.

Next to Bomberman is a Dwarf Fucking Stupid AI Suicidal Useless dude from Myth.

Flying through the air opposite Max Payne is maybe Niobe from Enter the Matrix?


The woman fanning Leisure Suit larry is maybe..the cover lady from Everquest?

And the blonde on his left...maybe the princess from Dragon's Lair?

Between the arm wrestling Doom demon and Prince of persion, on the floor, is probably Minsc and Boo from Baldur's Gate.

The pale guy who's pissed off about his brken sword, down in the lower left, is that Arthas?

The woman in the far upper right winding up the elephant, maybe the lead from Syberia?
#88 by anaqer
2007-05-28 02:44:32
mortal kombat (yellow-masked head among the flying skulls)
eye of the beholder (with the splinter cell visor in the lower left corner)
goblins?? (purple head in the pile of bodies below the fallout door)
final fantasy (cloud, and maybe sephiroth between c&c and fakk2)
lula 3d (girl on the pole right to lara & co.)
matrix online (girl shooting max payne)
warcraft 3 (prince arthras and the maelstorm above flying skulls)
baldur's gate ( minsc & boo !!! left to the cyberdaemon)
dig-dug (the digger thingy below grim fandango)

Garbage unreasonable. Refuses to be taken away.
#89 by anaqer
2007-05-28 02:48:16
also, the big ape-head could be black & white

Garbage unreasonable. Refuses to be taken away.
#90 by Gabe
2007-05-28 05:22:42
http://www.dartpublishing.com
I saw a sudden 35 posts and expected something...interesting.
#91 by schnee
2007-05-28 06:17:32
david@snowdesign.com
From the pentagram, one of the skulls is Morte from PlaneScape Torment. (gaggle's right.)
The cartoonish head to the lower left of him is Rayman of the Raving Rabbids.

The chick with the black bondage outfit and the whip (next to the blonde and the cherub) is from Dungeon Keeper 2.
#92 by Ergo
2007-05-28 07:58:35
Gabe--same here.

You never see animals going through the absurd and often horrible fooleries of magic and religions. Only man behaves with such gratuitous folly. It is the price he has to pay for being intelligent but not, as yet, intelligent enough. --Aldous Huxley

DVDs
#93 by BobJustBob
2007-05-28 08:45:32
The thing in the lower left hand corner is a Norn from the Creatures games.

"Games are not novels, and the ways in which they harbor novelistic aspirations are invariably the least interesting thing about them." - Steven Johnson
#94 by Dumdeedum
2007-05-28 10:56:55
http://www.dumdeedum.com
Gabe
I saw a sudden 35 posts and expected something...interesting.

You're just cranky because everyone else already got all the easy ones.

Ergo
Gabe--same here.

You're just cranky because you can't remember where you put your slippers.  Or the names of family members.  Or who you are.

Greg
You know what would've been nice?

Linking without giving 90% of the answers in the post with the link.

Thanks for nothing, fucko!

You're just cranky because... wait a minute, you're The Spoilerer!  The Spoilmaster General!  And you know that which means you're not cranky at all and are being all self-aware and tongue in cheek and stuff.


Updated the image with the latest progress.  If I missed any out then I either a) missed it, b) couldn't find corroborating evidence or c) disagreed with you.

MP3 Of The Week: Lee Perry - Disco Devil.mp3 (?)
#95 by OwenButler
2007-05-28 11:15:20
http://blog.owenbutler.org/
In between the quake2 character and the Z character is Lex from Bioforge.

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